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PostSubject: Re: Tyne Class 1/20 + slideway and boathouse   Tyne Class 1/20 + slideway and boathouse - Page 2 EmptySat Aug 13, 2022 9:25 am

Hi Joerg,

Wow!
What can I say.!!
I have spent quite some time reading through and catching up with your build log.

Very Very interesting and absolutely fantastic workmanship.
I will be keeping a close eye on this build log now.

Well done indeed sir.

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PostSubject: Re: Tyne Class 1/20 + slideway and boathouse   Tyne Class 1/20 + slideway and boathouse - Page 2 EmptySat Aug 13, 2022 9:53 am

Hi Martin,
thanks for your words.  My descriptions are a bit chaotic, usually these built reports work as 'think over your work/problem' in parallel.
But that's work in progress.

A short update on the project:
due to family and holdidays ther is no real progress at the moment.  These days I will order a smoke generator, wich should not run all time, just when starting the engines on the slipway and in the first moments of full speed.

Best,
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Hi Joerg,
I look forward to seeing you'r updates.

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PostSubject: Re: Tyne Class 1/20 + slideway and boathouse   Tyne Class 1/20 + slideway and boathouse - Page 2 EmptyMon Aug 15, 2022 4:18 pm

Hi, in all this chaos at home I managed to get a day for my project.
One thing needed for test rides is a closed deck. So I added some 2,5mm square PS profiles to the suports for the deck where needed and the I decided to install urgency opening options on the deck. The rudder section lies beneath the deck, I can change servo and reajust everything from the big opening, but one never knows. So I made a cutout for that part. It will later be glued and covered with paint so that you won't see it but in worst case I just need to open that smal plate and not destroy the back deck.

Similar for the motors. The original boat has two maintenance plates with about a million screws.  Beneath these I made two cutouts which later will be covered by my probably printed maintenance plates. Again the motos can be taken of or exchanged without these openings, but ... one never knows.

I may do a bit 'Süllrand'/ coaming rim?  The frame around the two deck openenigs where the deckhouses will stay on.

And soon order a smoke generator, not for all times but when starting the motors in the boathouse and  urgent full spead ahead....

That's it for now, best,
Joerg

Ah, the image:
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PostSubject: Re: Tyne Class 1/20 + slideway and boathouse   Tyne Class 1/20 + slideway and boathouse - Page 2 EmptyMon Aug 15, 2022 5:06 pm

Hi Joerg,

It is good to see you managed to get some time to do some model making.
That is great having all of those openings as long as you can prevent water ingress, the comings will certainly help.

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Martin555 wrote:
Hi Joerg,

It is good to see you managed to get some time to do some model making.
That is great having all of those openings as long as you can prevent water ingress, the comings will certainly help.

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Hi Martin

The openings will be waterproof glued or sealed, they are not needed in normal modelboating times. They are just there to avoid destruction of the deck in worst case scenarios.

Unfortunately I'm a master in improvisation but not in planning Shocked  .... could be worse  jocolor 
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Hi Joerg,
If you glue them then surly you would damage the deck trying to open them.
If you use silicon to seal them you will not be able to paint over them.
So it will be interesting to see how you do it and what you use.

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PostSubject: Re: Tyne Class 1/20 + slideway and boathouse   Tyne Class 1/20 + slideway and boathouse - Page 2 EmptyMon Aug 15, 2022 5:43 pm

If i use UHU-hart for that part it's glued but the material is not melted, that would be one option.

Another one is Sikaflex sika german (sorry)  there are some options, they use it for boats, probably to glue in car windows etc. Still a tiny bit flexible but you can sand it and paint without problems. I used that for my small 7m beach lifeboat in 1:20 to connect deck an hull with almost no overlap (got that from ebay) also for a emergancy opening in the back. No problems, could be sanded away so that it's just between the parts and color is fine.

For the motor openings rubber glue could be another option....

As I wrote: I don't plan to open it.

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Hi Joerg,
I like the idea of the rubber glue, should work well.

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PostSubject: testing testing ...   Tyne Class 1/20 + slideway and boathouse - Page 2 EmptyThu Aug 25, 2022 3:05 pm

Hi, I needed a life test.
So I put together 2 Krick Max Power 500 and 3S LiFePO 9,9V.
5min full speed and the motors were only handwarm, clear below 50degC.

The two vents were just put on top, they may not have helped as the deck ist still missing, they may get more importent when the deck is closed (there will be a small opening in on of the deckhouses to let the warm air out, if needed).ä




I had only little wate in the tub, if it would have been half fulll, the Tyne would have jumped out.

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So, after some fun, I'll go back to the winch now.
Best, Joerg

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Hi Joerg,
Looks like you have plenty of power there if you need to get out of danger.

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Hi Martin,
yes it looks like. I'm sure fully equipped in the water it will be less 'dramatic', but the last trial with wrong parameters and connections to the motor controller it was quite slow with 2 6,6V -- I almost was afraid it will be too slow at the end.
 
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Hi Joerg.

I think by the time you have the deck, superstructure and a few fittings added I don't think you will require much ballast.

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Hi Martin,
not much ballast but I need at least a bit lead in the keel below the motors. The originals are quite deep in the water.
 
In the back space there will be a smoker and left and right of the controller I need to set up more electronics.

The front accu (for vents, light etc) is now a 4500 NiMH, 400gr. Cold be a 2S Lifepo with 150gr .... just if I build too much suff ;0)
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Sounds good to me Joerg,
I follow this build with great interest.

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PostSubject: winch   Tyne Class 1/20 + slideway and boathouse - Page 2 EmptySun Aug 28, 2022 7:43 pm

Hi all,
next weekend is a nice  swimming pool meeting in north germany.
My TYNE has to go there. The slipway has no progress since early june but if you let the boat slide down the slipway, you should also be able to winch it up. I just found the company which built that winsch and asked for help, but they are on summer vacation at the moment. So I decided to built a raw lookalike model for winching the boat up and for further tests. The original has so much details, noch chace to do that over a weekend.

Motor with gear gives a few turns per minute at 6V, came from the 'bay'.  Running the whole stuff with a BEC (3A) and a double ralais switch with end stop options.  I'm swithing the winch with one of the sticks (throttle etc.) wich works quite well for me, because everytime I leave the stick it selfcenters and the ralais switches off.

The winch parts were fast built, not exactly symmetric holes on front and back side, I mounted one of the side plates in opposite way so it looks a bit odd, but it doesn't matter for the test.

OK, enough words, here it is:




I'm quite happy, the velocity is quite ok, motor and winch easily managed winching up (did it several times, nothing got warm).

Many things to do still, maybe I find time this week for a better connection to the boat.

Have a nice week,
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Hi Joerg,

I like that idea and it seems to work fine.

It is probable a bit to early in your build to ask this question but how do you plan on connect the winch cable to the boat when you need to winch it up into the building at the end when you have finished using the Lifeboat ?

Will it be Magnets ?

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Hi Martin,
I have several options, a magnet for 6kg on 1cm plate is already there. Next weekend I hope to have the inner pillars in the back section mounted. There I would put a Y of two ropeends on. The final version is trial and error, it should be handable without falling into the water.....

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Hi Joerg,
I don't know if you have seen this video before.
It shows a retrieval system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAx9-lbyFvc

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Hi, thanks, I know it, even chatted with that guy. From that I got the tip of the 6kg or more magnet.
Won't have a solution in one week.
There still the question of the story, changing from bollards to keel end or right away keel end....
So many options and so much work ...

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Hi Joerg,
It will be interesting to see what idea  you come with.
Good luck.

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PostSubject: first real test   Tyne Class 1/20 + slideway and boathouse - Page 2 EmptyTue Sep 06, 2022 5:35 pm

Hi all,
'Port Aukrug'  (swimming pool action this time with more than 500 model boats -  a few images on my website, in german, but the gallery doesn't need any words) was coming closer and time was running away.... I gues most of you know that feeling....

So I take off one day to finish preparations on the tyne as much as possible. So, what did I do:
  • got the oil out of the shaft system and replaced it with high speed grease
  • made a box for the front battery pack (for later functions and motor vents)
  • glued the vent holder + epoxy glue
  • added protective grid for the trim plate mechanics
  • glued all thre bollard cores on the bottom of the hull in an extra part polystyren + epoxy glue (that way you can later hang the boat on the bollards without destroying the deck)
  • as improvisation for winching up I made a Y-brass holder to be put over the bollards. That holden is at the end of the winch rope and I use a bamboo stick with a clamp to put it over the bollards.
  • added the big sprayrail --- didi it alone which was a mistake... I'll take it off an redo it later
  • moiunted all deck parts with rubber glue and masking tape
  • drive and steering test in bath tub, everything fine!


So I went there and even while mountig the whole setup people started to come and look and ask, quite often I heard something like ".. I saw it in the forum..." -- ok german forum but nevertheless for you in your country it's sure similar.

Then I could start testing, learning by doing. I hate calculations and theory.
The power of the two Krick mas power 500 with an 3s 9,9v LiFePO was fantastic. A bit too fast but I hope with full weight the will fit perfectly.

Slipway worked as before, many things to be replaced or updated, but that's all I knew before.  Similar for the winch, it stayed 8 hrs until the little, fast made, driver?? (the part that sits on the motor axis and is connected to the wich drum) broke. Nothing serious,

The steering was more of a problem, I changed this and then in the settings on the controler and on the transmitter and reseiver, until ... a nice modeller mate said "just swap the poles on the motor..." ..... f*** .....
The easiest of all solutions and IT WORKED!  The boat almost turns on a table, getting backwards on the slipway became easy (I still have to learn better steering).


Over I'm really happy how everything worked out and how large the interest already was.



Anyways, here are some photos:


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And I also have a small movie:






The winching up connection was just a fast improvisation. Next will be a magnet solution.


Best regards,
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Hi Joerg,
She went down the ramp very well and I am impressed how manoeuvrable she is in the water.

You said that you will have a magnet system to recover the boat, but how will you push the boat to get it started to slide down the ramp.

I liked the video and the photos they are lovely and clear thank you for showing them.

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Hi Martin,
at the moment I just have a magnet Very Happy 

The release is not a problem, because it simply will to be replaced by a release systen when the boat is in. The original startet with the two ropes to on the bollards and then they change to the release system.

The manoeuvrability is simply because of one propeller going forwad an the other backward. Honestly I don't work with two sticks on the transmitter, it's done by the controller which automaticly sets the contrary propeller directions with the steering. For getting into the slipway it's very helpfull.

Best,
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Hi Joerg,

Just out of curiosity in photo 2 there is a boat just behind your lifeboat as it is being launched, do you know what it is ? (luxury cruiser of some sort)
I am already looking forward to your next update.
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you mean the yollowish-green one, that's a Pegasus III

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Thank you Joerg,
I do like that boat.
I will have to look around to see how much the kit will cost here in the U.K.

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it was from Graupner, so it's probably just second hand to get...

It's not mine but I know the owner ....

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Thank you Joerg.

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Hi all,
the deck is off again.  Meanwhile I managed to get the smoker/steamer running:




This is a steam genarator from Uwe Fleer, a BIG version with double set of heating resistor. Copper tubes have 12mm diameter on the outside. More or less the size of the exhausts. 

I used a controller from him too, choose the manual setting, means full spead and heat. 12W, 7,2V

There is also the option to get control via the motor speed + finetuning options but tha't for later, hen everything is mounted and the exhaust flaps are mounted.

Have fun,
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Hi Joerg,

The smoker works very well.
Are you only going to use the smoker at the start when the motors first fire up. ?
Or will it be on all the time that the boat is running ?

Can you control how much smoke the unit puts out. ?

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Hi Martin,

it's planned to use it mainly at the start, in the boathouse and probably after the slipway, with full speed ahead. Not the full time, you won't see it and it's waste of power, allthough mounted to an extra battery pack.

The video shows it running with a manual switch on full power. It's also possible to run it parallel to the motor spedd plus fine tuning of smoke and fan. But that's just usefull to set up when it's finally mounted in the boat and the exhaust flaps are on (with a stick inside to flip them a bit up and down...).

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Hi Joberg,
Your project is getting more interesting by the day.
Are you going to fit motor sound units ?

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sure, motor sound will come, have no clue how, but I used the original motor sound for my german 7m lifeboat by cutting a youtube sound into peaces. So I know how it would work, just need to have an affordable  sound module. Maybe ardurino based ..... who knows.

And the sound of the Hammer hitting the clamp and the falling clamp when releasing the boat, of course!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Tyne Class 1/20 + slideway and boathouse   Tyne Class 1/20 + slideway and boathouse - Page 2 EmptyMon Sep 12, 2022 7:48 pm

Hi Joberg,
This all sounds good, looking forward to this.

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