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PostSubject: A Classic Reboot...   A Classic Reboot... EmptyWed Apr 24, 2019 9:40 pm

Well it’s defiantly been a while since I’ve made any progress other than a few minor repairs over the last 6months, so before I delve into the cmb to take up the next few years of my life I thought I would revisit and old friend, many of you will instantly recognise my fan fav of a kit, it’s also one I was quite proud of as one of my more upscale smaller kit bashes.... winning 3rd place at a local exhibition even in an unfinished state!

Over the years since that was built the original model took quite a pounding 2 full hull re-sprays, and a new shaft installation, those were the result of the physical abuse I laid into the model, finally its resting place is now in the hands of my father and used as a club loaner, it’s still in a good condition but has issues, first being the paintwork which was my own fault during construction using an oiled based stain, needless to say that’s plagued the model over the years and 2nd is the constant flow of water the boat would take on under a run, fortunately as always my boats are epoxy sealed inside and out, so although she likes to have a drink it’s not stopped her showing some who’s the boss...

So needless to say a Lot of you are fans of me taking what I would say is a basic kit and bashing them to be something vastly more than people would imagined.. so here we go... lessons from the last built learnt... mistakes not to remake and modification knowing how this little beauty runs to correct...

I managed to thank the tax man for a nice rebate and picked this kit up on sale during the Easter weekend... and I have to say aeronaut again surprised me with this kit... together have updated it!

The box as u can see compared from my original build years ago has new graphics... and the kit itself has some improvements and additions.... and some I wish they would update...

First up the framework seams to have Been later cut better ( it’s taken far less work to clean up the edges than last time), the instructions although again in German, the translations are much better and the original instructions are more detailed... very nice....

There is one big improvement for those looking to get this kit without modifications is aeronaut have scrapped the solid coupling they used to provide with a sprung one... looks very nice.... not sure if it’s going to rust tho... never mind it’s scrap on this project... I’ve already learnt from experience this boat deserves no less than a brushless ( and this time more power than the cheap 1000kv I had last) so right off the bat stainless steal slimline m4 shaft ( you boys know by now I love these shafts... absolutly zero maintenance no corrosion.. no rust.. although the thrust washer needs replacing yearly it is a brass one after all...

For now those are the biggest updates I’ve spotted moment I opened the box, but I expect there are a few more.... I’ll let u know what I spot em...

So going off past mistakes it’s time to kick this little boat from starter kit to Wtf mode....

Now I would love to promise a speedy build.... we’ll see... but I was allowed into the workshop today for the first time in months so I’ve popped the frames cleaned up the edges and dry fit the lot... I’m letting the material sit overnight to help take some natural shape, 3mm runners had a habit of trying to twist the hull last time... so let’s ease it in... lucky that the stringers are the one that can untwist a hull... I’ve never been a huge fan of the base board but it’s better than nothing!


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I’m also going to test out the gorilla dedicated water proof wood glue for this one... let’s see how this fairs up.. it was twice the price of the alphatic resin glues... it better be worth it!

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PostSubject: Re: A Classic Reboot...   A Classic Reboot... EmptyWed Apr 24, 2019 10:13 pm

In my humble opinion Aron...…….that is your first and hopefully only mistake...……….I think ALL gorilla products are crap...…….I've tried that, their supa glue, the water activated, the tape and another ……….oh yes, their epoxy...……….and don't rate any of them..not as good as other stuff on the market and twice price...…….id have stuck to aliphatic mate.....far better and stronger.
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PostSubject: Re: A Classic Reboot...   A Classic Reboot... EmptyThu Apr 25, 2019 6:14 pm

Aron

I wouldn't go as far as Neil, but I also wouldn't use the Gorilla Glue for wood to wood joins. Its useful for wood to plastic or fibreglass. If you do use it be aware that it foams if you don't clamp it tight.

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PostSubject: Re: A Classic Reboot...   A Classic Reboot... EmptyThu Apr 25, 2019 8:50 pm

Nowt at all wrong with Gorilla Glue I use it all the time the superglue,the epoxy glue and the wood glue I find it brill and Ive not been able to break a joint yet


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PostSubject: Re: A Classic Reboot...   A Classic Reboot... EmptyFri Apr 26, 2019 12:55 am

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Nowt at all wrong with Gorilla Glue I use it all the time the superglue,the epoxy glue and the wood glue I find it brill and Ive not been able to break a joint yet


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I only put that on to see if you were still alive,  lol! lol! lol!
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PostSubject: Re: A Classic Reboot...   A Classic Reboot... EmptyFri Apr 26, 2019 8:42 am

I’ve not used the gorilla foaming glues nor it’s superglue, however my old man has used the foaming glue for a few projects in recent years and those boats haven’t suffered a failure...
I up till now have only used the gorilla 5 min epoxy... which was fine for the job but it did take a little more than 5 mins to cure... but with epoxys if you do t quite mix it right then the set time can be off...

As for the dedicated wood glue... it’s non foaming it’s just a wood glue, it’s quite hard to bugger up a wood glue formula and honestly if 151 can make a wood glue and sell it for a quid then I have some high hopes for this £6.50 bottle...

I was actually swayed by a few videos of it being used on YouTube from independent reviewers all of whome put the glue through more abuse than I ever will.. ( it’s worth looking ) and so far my test pieces seam to be doing the job rather well...

As with all glues it can come down to prep work, with a dedicated wood glue a damp surface on the glue joint will weaken it, any oils or grease etc can stop the glue working or at least grabbing the joint. I’m not saying anyone hasn’t had an issue with these glues, it could would be many factors leading to a failure.. but right now this one hasn’t failed my test pieces which gives me a lot of confidence in the product... but instead of debating the glue let’s wait a little and see how it fairs up as I progress.., I’m only on frames, even superglue can do this job effectively... the real test for the glue will be when I skin the sides!... watch this space...

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PostSubject: Re: A Classic Reboot...   A Classic Reboot... EmptyFri Apr 26, 2019 9:06 am

Sorry RR - didn't look closely enough at the bottle! At a glance it looks like the foaming one.

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PostSubject: Re: A Classic Reboot...   A Classic Reboot... EmptyMon Apr 29, 2019 1:54 pm

Well with the kids back in school today I’ve been able to set aside a little time to progress on the hull, the frames have been glued.. nothing hard there.. now the awkward job is skinning the boat... this boat the same as the diva and Jenny have all been pigs to get this skin on correctly, so again I’ve deviated from the written plan a little, opting to jig the skins into formers lock down the bow with a few drops of super glue and then only glue up one side.... the other side is clamped to keep the bow in place other than that it’s free to move about the jig, the reason for doing one side is to eliminate any twist that the base board inherently brings, I remember from last time having to make with my old man a specific jig to pull out the twist while we skinned the base of the hull...

Honestly that jig was a pain in the ass and constructing a new one is a lot of work for something that I hope gluing-up only one side at a time and weighting the frames will resolve...

For now everything seams to be going ok I guess the next 48 hours will tell if that plan worked...

The skin going on first is the mahogany veneer... I’m hoping again to be able to vanish this full body however like all plans not everything works out... however that said... should I get any issues and have to sand the boat abruptly I will endeavour to re-skin the boat with another veneer layer... time will tell....

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PostSubject: Re: A Classic Reboot...   A Classic Reboot... EmptyMon Apr 29, 2019 2:09 pm

looks good...……...nice timber they supply...……...I always remember the crap that Billing used to supply with their early kits...…...wasn't much better than firewood...….

but at least it taught patience even if it didn't teach model boat plank on frame work. lol.
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PostSubject: Re: A Classic Reboot...   A Classic Reboot... EmptyMon Apr 29, 2019 4:57 pm

Well I do have to say so far this glue is impressing me... although next time I would look for a smaller glue spout to save on cleaning up a little more.. the glue says I takes 24 hours to fully set but clamps or 20-30 mins will do the job of holding it all in place... after about 2 hours the glue has dried clear and hasn’t left any staining unlike the other glues that seam to leave wood yellow.. on top of that the joint is rock solid already... so taking advantage of this I’ve removed the clamps and glue up the other side... note the two huge LA battery’s holding down the frames.. The boat wants to twist if I let up the pressure... but with the weights on the frames are fully flush to the worktop and once the glue sets that should hold everything in place.. however with this project the upper deck level chines need installing last... that will have to change and be done before I put the base hull panels on to ensure that all frames remain untwisted... once in place I can glue the bulkheads to the skin ( which is what the instructions say to do, I would normally glue the skin to the frames and the chimes at the same time usually but because the way the jig works it allows the skin to move reducing the wavyness that can come from doing such a job... fingers crossed...


Oh and the reason I’m using pegs more than clamps is very simple... the plastic clamps take up a lot of space so getting a good bond is hard when there are gaps left, the plastic clamps do the hard work on the stressful curvatures but the pegs can clamp the whole joint more evenly... wooded pegs usually are pretty good and grippy... plastic ones generally are a waste of time...


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PostSubject: Re: A Classic Reboot...   A Classic Reboot... EmptyThu May 02, 2019 1:34 pm

Hi Aron - I was in my local Aldi this morning. They have the Gorilla Wood Glue at £3.99 which I think makes it a good buy. I didn't buy one as I have more than half a bottle of Aliphatic.

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PostSubject: Re: A Classic Reboot...   A Classic Reboot... EmptySun Jul 07, 2019 12:52 am

A rare achievement today I was finally left alone for a few hours leading me to enjoy the cool workshop and progress with the hull...

The gorilla glue used to hold the hull so far proved to be worth the price paid, I have yet to crack a joint doing the worst of the jobs needed for this boat, applying the lower hull skins, Achieving this was no short order, and the use of no jigs or 4 pairs of hands resulted in some forceful bending and holding while glues dried, the reinforcement  joints with epoxy, not the preferred method of choice but a successful outcome and strangely didn’t involve a single swear word...

My original choice to stitch and glue the base into place was met with failure, which was simply due to the panels not aligning correctly at the seams, I can find no reasons as to why other than they simply did not fit from laser cutting however after gluing one side down starting at the stern and working forwards a light sand of the edges let everything fit (tightly) into place leaving to just progress the other side the same way,

This have now achieved the hull panels attached, glued and reinforced, leaving only some filler to true up the bow and hide any seams along with my original holes I made for stitch and glue, those will be done tomorrow providing I’m allowed out again.

Overall nothing major and no planking required this time to correct for a pesky skin!

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PostSubject: Re: A Classic Reboot...   A Classic Reboot... EmptyMon Jul 08, 2019 10:26 am

I've been thinking on ways to make this kit better, not just in terms of making it better than the standard kit, but also beating out my last version of this with modifications to suit...

This will also work fully as a model boat, although like most of my projects recently however i know for a fact that most of my projects just end up as a display models along with competition entry's, so for that reason, my first adjustment to this kit will be that i will paint the hull completely, leaving the deck as the only exposed wood to finish.

I have a few other ' in the works' ideas how to improve this kit further and be different from the last.. although there isnt much more you can do with this kit with out massive alterations (non of which are worth it) ..

I have a few reasons for opting to paint the sides, and going of the first kit i did of this and the diva, there were a few things that bugged me in keeping the mahogany exposed and varnished, mostly was that i couldn't true the hull, if i began sanding then i would have rubbed through the veneer of the sides (since its only 1mm), this when it was varnished, you could see the waviness of the sides where the hull had sucked into the frames, this really bugged me for months when i had finished it especially in lower lighting it was more visible than i wanted ( even that mirror finish couldn't save it at times).

So in opting to paint the sides allows for a perfectly trued up hull... the problem is now the colour i've picked is probably the worst for hiding imperfections.... so the hull work will be Very extensive! 

i'll let the photo below inspire you same as me for this project.... 

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PostSubject: Re: A Classic Reboot...   A Classic Reboot... EmptyThu Jul 11, 2019 6:43 pm

last couple of days i've done a few of the boring jobs, the first being test fitting the shaft and motor along with sealing the hull internally. i've also given the inside of the hull a coat of epoxy to seal the wood ( being careful not to seal the wood in specific areas that still require glue ) its easier to do this now while the hull is open and easy to get access to rather than later when there is no space.

I would opt at this point usually to glue in the prop shaft and fit its skeg, however as one of the upgrades to the basic kit i've decided to instead fit either a P frame or A frame to the shaft instead as its external support... more on that later....

The Shaft is again another slimline shaft, however i was disappointed to find upon delivery it is a brass shaft rather than a stainless steel one.. i was going to complain about it however i simply do not care this time around since the shaft this time can be polished out for this boat ( lucky?) 

The motor is another 1100KV outrunner by Overlander, it is in fact the same motor i used in the sea urchin from last year, so i know its got the power to drive this boat as well as being a decent brand ...

I've also started to fair & true up the hull, starting with the bow to ensure its perfect, the hull work because its to be painted will be very extensive so i'm just doing the off jobs inside now before i spend the next week or so fairing this hull to be perfect. 

however the bow is now spot on as it should be so i will spend the next day or so painting the inside of the boat to keep it looking tidy while i work out the rudder shaft, and continue to adjust the model for its on going modifications.

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PostSubject: Re: A Classic Reboot...   A Classic Reboot... EmptyFri Jul 12, 2019 11:23 pm

Little more progress and it’s shifted into some moulding, mainly making a blank for casting in the form of a prop support “p” skeg in a more traditional style for this type of boat, this is an upgrade from the kits “wedge” cutout insert and my original classics version of that which was simply modified to fit the m4 shaft when it was repaired.

As you can see it’s a good fit to not only the shaft but the spacing, it’s simply made of a pen lid and some scrap ply from the kit shaped to resemble what a boat like this would traditionally be fitted with, I will clean it up and start to prep it to make a mould for casting over the next week or so...I have not decided at this point what material the cast this from, but at present I’m thinking to use some grp compound so I don’t need to be messing about with melting brass down to cast it as a solid, and I’ve never been a fan of white metal parts.. let’s see how I get on with the mould first...

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PostSubject: Re: A Classic Reboot...   A Classic Reboot... EmptySun Jul 14, 2019 1:08 am

After so messing about today looking to make a mold for the skeg/shaft support I instead opted to not bother, instead I chose to tissue & dope it, since this is a 1 off piece it makes no real sense to go to all that effort to make the same item from a singular material. 

Instead the tissue and dope method with some sanding, p38 and more sanding yielded the same result pretty much for half the work, now I know a bronze or brass version would have been nicer, but truthfully I always end up painting skegs and frames anyway to simply make it less aggravation later down the line when I come to clean a model. 
So I’ll just make this a permanent addition to the hull, I still this time also want a better entry for the shaft into the boat (less of a glue and filler job) so I’ll make up a “box stuffing tube” out of the hull to be a more accurate representation of how it should be.

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PostSubject: Re: A Classic Reboot...   A Classic Reboot... EmptyFri Jul 19, 2019 5:11 pm

Back at it again... this damn brain of mine causing some extra headaches....

One thing on this kit that always bugged me was the seating area, my last version I corrected the seat position to be more accurate ( again same this time too) however and believe me I understand this is a basic kit, but it’s a kit with a lot of room for improvement, so here’s one I’m working on to take this boat to he next level and that’s the start of a full interior... right now it’s a lot of template work but this will build up the internal side walls for something to a fix decorative panels to and I’ve also started to create a new flat mount position from the originals making this one longer ( this is just to give me more working space for gadgets)

The templates still need a bit more work to get them flush to the hull and cut positions but you get the idea pretty fast.

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One set of templates later, transferred to some 4mm lite ply and bingo a front former for the side walls and new electronic shelf’s... next job is to glue and seal them to the hull, and start working on the cockpit walls...


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Don’t panic projects still ongoing... I’ve just had to take a break to teach my son how to paint.. he’s got a model Hobby recently inspired by his mates... only problem is he doesn’t know how to detail a model so dad’s has to set aside some time to paint 3 tanks and 56 army men with him *faceplant* my workshop now looks like a bomb hit it but at least I remembered how to paint a model in detail rather than the last 10 years of masked out block colour!

Anyway enjoy “dads handy work” back to boats as soon as kiddo vacated my workshop and has the confidence to do it himself!


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