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PostSubject: RCMP St Roch- an Artic Patrol Boat   RCMP St Roch- an Artic Patrol Boat EmptyTue Apr 30, 2019 1:08 pm

I have now acquired my next project. Yet another Billings kit, and another POF. I did consider a cabin cruiser kit from New Maquettes, but this is more interesting, as well as being cheaper. Unlike my normal habit of purchasing old kits off Ebay, this is brand new from a UK supplier Rolling Eyes  The reason is that it was cheaper than the one on Ebay Shocked 

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This is laser cut rather than die cut and the wood should be less brittle - I hope. Its built like the others - in two halves. The "instructions" are no better than other Billings kits.  It is also intended as a static model, and I think I will build it as such. I have enough boats to sail, and in any case I am spending less time sailing - I haven't been to the lake since last November.

I will be posting further when I get started.

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PostSubject: Re: RCMP St Roch- an Artic Patrol Boat   RCMP St Roch- an Artic Patrol Boat EmptyTue Apr 30, 2019 5:32 pm

another cracker, barrie..and a very interesting looking project.
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PostSubject: Re: RCMP St Roch- an Artic Patrol Boat   RCMP St Roch- an Artic Patrol Boat EmptyTue Apr 30, 2019 9:29 pm

Cant wait to see this one Now going on your other builds I EXCPECT this to be finished in 2 weeks !!!!!!!!!!

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Looking forward to the build Barrie.
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PostSubject: Re: RCMP St Roch- an Artic Patrol Boat   RCMP St Roch- an Artic Patrol Boat EmptyWed May 01, 2019 6:37 am

stavros wrote:
Cant wait to see this one Now going on your other builds I EXCPECT this to be finished in 2 weeks !!!!!!!!!!

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No Dave. I am going to try and go slow o this one lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!

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lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!
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PostSubject: Re: RCMP St Roch- an Artic Patrol Boat   RCMP St Roch- an Artic Patrol Boat EmptyWed May 01, 2019 12:45 pm

So - first session today. All the bulkheads removed and cleaned. As I suspected, being laser cut means much better quality ply than usually found in Billings kits Thumbup  One thing that was always good with Billings was the quality of the fittings - particularly the brass ones. This kit is no exception. Here they are after sorting into a compartmented box.

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After removing and cleaning the first half keel, I started fitting the half bulkheads.

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I do need to fix the keel to the slip. As this is MDF I'm not sure that the nails suggested will hold it. It is also tricky finding enough places that will still be accessible after the decks and planking are in place Rolling Eyes
In accordance with my slow build policy for this model, that's all for today folks lol! lol! lol! lol! 

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PostSubject: Re: RCMP St Roch- an Artic Patrol Boat   RCMP St Roch- an Artic Patrol Boat EmptyWed May 01, 2019 6:02 pm

hi barrie
looks a nice kit 2thumbsup , am right in saying it is 1:72 scale on the box, as that seems an odd scale to me  scratch not seen one like that before.

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PostSubject: Re: RCMP St Roch- an Artic Patrol Boat   RCMP St Roch- an Artic Patrol Boat EmptyWed May 01, 2019 6:08 pm

David, the kit is certainly better quality than the other Billings I have built recently Thumbup  The laser cutting seems to be good and the wood is certainly much better quality. As for the scale, I was more concerned with the length - all the fittings are supplied so its not an issue having an odd scale.

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PostSubject: Re: RCMP St Roch- an Artic Patrol Boat   RCMP St Roch- an Artic Patrol Boat EmptyWed May 01, 2019 9:57 pm

actually david its not such an odd scale as you think...……..it comes between  1.48 and 1;96 as a decent workable scale, and there is a world wide club that models warships in 1;72 making them a decent size for regattas,. unlike the 1;96 scale that deans marine stuck with for most of their warshuip and merchant ships, being only able to sail in good calmish weather...….

see these blokes...…….all 1;72 scale.    https://taskforce72.org/
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PostSubject: Re: RCMP St Roch- an Artic Patrol Boat   RCMP St Roch- an Artic Patrol Boat EmptyThu May 02, 2019 9:11 am

hi neil,
never looked at it that way before as you said I always thought  1:48 and 1:96 were the norm, never come across it before, I am still learning  scratch will it ever end   lol!   I must say the brass fittings look good  barrie .


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hi neil,
never looked at it that way before as you said I always thought  1:48 and 1:96 were the norm, never come across it before, I am still learning  scratch will it ever end   lol!   I must say the brass fittings look good  barrie .


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I have been modelling boats and ships for 60 years now under the initial  guidance of my grandfather when I was just 8 years old, who was a master cabinet maker and pattern maker, David………..and 60 years on, I'm still learning...……..I learn something new at least once a week...…..so don't worry...…….that's what we are here to do, learn and pass on our knowledge to others.

I wish all modellers were like that. there was one modeller who designed a water jet propulsion drive system for a steam lifeboat similar to that which I was building who refused me 3 times to have a look at his system...….and yet one night at 22.30 abouts rang me up to ask my help about a lifeboat matter...…...when he realised who he was asking he abruptly hung up on me before I could tell him to jog on, lol he went to his grave, donating his model to Holyhead LB station with a caviat that no one was to see the propulsion system in his boat...……...what sort of model maker was he.

and sadly there are one or two on a famous model; boat forum who also keep their great ideas to them selves without passing them on...…….I just find that very sad indeed.
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PostSubject: Re: RCMP St Roch- an Artic Patrol Boat   RCMP St Roch- an Artic Patrol Boat EmptyThu May 02, 2019 1:30 pm

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The last bulwarks have been fitted. The decks are just dry fitted to ensure the bulwarks are lined up correctly. I did find that the slots cut in the half keel are oversize, so its possible to get the bulwarks out of alignment, even though they are vertical. Shocked Luckily the only one which was out was the one I had just fitted so no problem to remove Rolling Eyes , but I must remember when I come to side 2.
The thinner ply for the decks is not such good quality as the keel and bulkheads.
One other issue is that the laser parts are not marked with part numbers which seems a bit strange as its easy to do when cutting. I'm sure they are printed on die cut models.

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PostSubject: Re: RCMP St Roch- an Artic Patrol Boat   RCMP St Roch- an Artic Patrol Boat EmptySat May 04, 2019 12:48 pm

The decks have now been stuck down. I had to remove the keel from the slip in order to do this and ensure that the decks didn't stick to the slip! The keel has now been nailed down onto the slip with three nails. All these are accessible after planking and I think the keel is flat. If it starts to warp when I start planking I will have to add some more nails.
Next job is to shape the bulkheads ready for planking. First up are two bulwarks in thin ply.

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PostSubject: Re: RCMP St Roch- an Artic Patrol Boat   RCMP St Roch- an Artic Patrol Boat EmptyTue May 07, 2019 12:38 pm

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Planking started Thumbup  The bulwarks are fitted, but they are thin ply. the first few planks added - not as shown in the "instructions". I don't think those related to this vessel Shocked Shocked Shocked Rolling Eyes  It will be planked according to my plans Shocked  I will have to be careful not to leave big gaps as there will be no access from inside once the planking is complete.

You will notice Stavros that I am going s l o w l y on this build - unlike you and your slotcar track lol! lol! lol! 

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I fancy building my next lifeboat plug this way in two halves...…...but instead of POF, im going to  use the same type of foam board that I gave stav to build his hill climb circuit with...….just have to find some more on the roadside that's been flytipped.
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It certainly makes the planking less daunting. When I built the trawler Norden the decks were not fitted until after the planking. That introduced some twist. This has the decks already glued in so hopefully the two halves will fit together better.

To help with this model I bought an electric plank bender - glorified soldering iron. Another bargain I think. These are around £30 from the usual suppliers, I bought mine from De Agostini for £16. Its an Artesania Latina brand. Using this I don't need hot water in my workshop - which I don't have! I just soak the planks in cold water. It seems to be working. Thumbup

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In compliance with my slow build I only managed one plank today Shocked Shocked Shocked  Its really tricky to get a decent line for the planks - I think because the hull is much deeper at the bows than the stern, and the angle of the deck. I'm thinking I shouldn't have tried to follow the line of the bulwarks with the first plank. Rolling Eyes 

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Another couple of plans laid. I have also added extra planks to the bulwarks, but think I have done it wrong Embarassed Embarassed .
I am far from certain that I am laying the planks correctly, but as long as I cover it all, after sanding and filling I hope you wont be able to see the pattern Shocked

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And more progress. That's it for a few days - I'm heading north to see some friends in Derbyshire - not quite home, but nearer Thumbup 

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Well - I know I sid I was going to take my time over this one, but one plank a day is really getting ridiculous Rolling Eyes  I think it must be the shape of the hull, but I am really struggling to get the planks shaped and fitted. I tried working from both deck and keel, but the planks need so many pins and clamps there isn't room to make more progress Crying or Very sad  I have started building some of the other structures and the wheelhouse is next. This will need painting before adding doors and window frames in mahogany, so it seemed a good idea to start now while waiting for planks to dry. All parts cut ready for the next session. The small box is another bit of deck furniture - not sure its purpose except to hold a sledge. There are lots of small assemblies, and more rigging than I thought Rolling Eyes

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A few more planks added - the hole is getting less, but not an easier shape to fill Shocked  As you will see, this is not one of my better planking attempts Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes 

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next time  want a plug for a lifeboat planking, i'll send it to you...….yours is superb.
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No chance Neil Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked 

Planking of side one completed - well there may be some small patches to fill in - ready for removal from the board ready for sanding and filling.

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I hope side two goes better.

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Side one has now been sanded and filled and sanded again - ready for a coat of primer so that I can see how much more filling is required. Rolling Eyes 

Side 2 has been started - bulkheads fitted, decks fitted and bulwarks fitted. There are problems with the bulwarks in that the supports show over the top of them. I don't see how this could happen with laser cut parts including location slots for the bulkheads in the keel. The excess will have to be sanded off and hope it doesn't affect anything else. I think the rear superstructure is built on top of the bulwarks Shocked 

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