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Subject: Shark boat Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:40 pm
I obtained these plans from another engineer in our American division. I've never built fully in wood so I'll be asking questions as I go. The frames and keel were lasered out by SLEC who did an excellent job. The keel and hull frames are lite ply and the chines and planking are medium grade balsa as specified on the plan notes. The frames as delivered are on another thread the build will be posted here. Initial keel and frames pieced together. I screwed some blocks onto the board to keep all square and tacked them all together using aliphatic resin wood glue.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:09 pm
Started to add the deck supports and chines:
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:36 pm
Nice start Swab. Cheers, Murphy
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:00 pm
It's a slow start I'm finding the temperature in my workshop slows the glue going off, my little fan heater warms the place up eventually. After a bit of planing and sanding I'll be having a crafty plank starting at the keel.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:50 pm
Planking starts 1/2" by 1/8" the plan states 3/4" but I can't get them I've got medium grade but I think soft would have been better to go round the curves. I've put a false piece in to space out from the keel so I can shape it down to fit the curve, I've got the art of putting my little heater on while I do the washing up so my sheds warm and my glue sets and grabs nicely.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Thu Nov 26, 2020 7:14 am
Swab, I heat my workshop with a little 600 watt convector. I have put it on a timeswitch so it comes on an hour or so before I expect to start modelling. It also goes off before lunch so I don't forget to switch it off
The model is coming along nicely.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:08 pm
Added a few more planks after teaching myself how to bend them without breaking them. I'm wondering if I should have started at the deck and worked down I've got both cellulose sanding sealer and Z poxy finishing resin what do you think I should use for the outer hull? i'm fairly sure I'll resin the inner I've not got any cloth to glass the outer hull. I've packed up for the night and not took photos but the inside planking looks chippendale quality smooth and needs no sanding but the outer hull levels is as rough as a bears backside and needs quite a bit of rubbing down.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:10 pm
The wife's just looked at this and told me to tidy up my bench!!!!!!!!
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:03 pm
Swab
If you are not going to use glass cloth then I would use Zpoxy. Balsa is always subject to 'dings' unless you protect it, and sanding sealer doesn't really give enough protection. My Pilot boat has balsa sides and bottoms and I am trying to decide whether to use Zpoxy or aircraft tissue and EzeKote. The latter is easier to use as its water soluble until cured. I have some Zpoxy, but not very confident using it.
Barrie
PS - if you tidy your bench you'll never find anything again
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Sat Nov 28, 2020 9:35 pm
I've just found a bottle of EZE Kote i bought ages ago for this project I'm going to use that with some fibreglass cloth for the outer hull. I'll use a thin coat of sanding sealer to prepare the outer sand it down and glass coat it I want this to last and I'm the worst helmsman ever. But I'll tidy my bench first orders are orders!
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:19 pm
Initial sanding I've got some small gaps to fill but I've not had to shift too much meat. I've just ordered my prop shaft the props already here the plans stipulate a motor & gearbox but I'm thinking just straight coupling it to the shaft. There's a bit of trimming to be done to the planking to bring it to deck level but hamfist snapped the deck supports and I need to replace them to give me a level to trim to. I'm to photography what Johnny Rotten is to the Pope.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:51 am
I can't see much wrong with that planking. If you can avoid a gearbox I would as they tend to be noisy. If you really need to reduce the revs a belt and pulley system is quieter.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:44 pm
I've not done much tonight I've cleaned up and vacuumed up a serious amount of dust and generally tidied up all the offcuts and shavings cluttering up. [/url] I had a bit of time left and mixed up a bit of Z poxy and coated the inside of the bow, I've been a bit liberal in the fore part as the planks had a bit more abuse and bending to fit so I think it needs an extra coat, I may add some fibreglass cloth to the inside to help it further. I've also replaced the starboard deck support that's snapped in the photo.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:29 pm
Bit of progress because I missed a night owing to a grouse a famous grouse in fact! Battery tray and fore deck. rudder tube that's a 5m m rudder shaft in a 5.1mm i.d. tube I've got the tube and locknut supplied but it's 8mm diameter through a 9mm keel made of 3 laminates of 3mm ply i don't want any more doublers i can grease and seal the top of the tube it rotates easily with no drag so I'm going with this. EZE Kote tomorrow as I don't fancy a 12 hour columbo marathon!
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:43 pm
I've EZE Koted and glass clothed the outer hull and I've left it to dry before I rub it down and re-coat it there's some rubbing strakes i need to apply later, I'll take photos later once I've done all the rubbing down.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:27 pm
Thats 2 coats of EZE Kote and a very light sand over with 400 grit wet and dry. If I press too hard i could go through the glass cloth to be honest I'm not impressed, the grain of the glass cloth still shows. I'll coat it once more with EZE Kote otherwise a good filler primer may be needed the surface isn't too bad at all i just expected a bit better. As a side question do you think Z poxy would go over EZE Kote?. Prop shaft & upper works soon.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:40 pm
Swab
Yes you can put Zpoxy over EzeKote . I found out by accident. After modifying the inside of the Police Boat for my motor, I needed to re-seal an area. Having some mixed Zpoxy left from the outside, I used that. It went on OK, and is still OK
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Fri Dec 11, 2020 9:47 pm
I've Z poxy coated the outer hull it's dried but I'm giving it another day as I've been a bit liberal in covering it. I've started cutting out the upper works. Photos to follow after a rub down ( the boat not me!).
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:41 pm
Th hull has been rubbed down and I've fitted some decking, the new rudder tube, rudder servo, battery tray, mast mounting, prop shaft and started carving out the mounting for the motor so that's just rough positioning. I've fibreglassed in the prop shaft with some repair paste which is vile to work with and treated the deck with EZE Kote next will be rubbing strakes.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:37 pm
I've not been too idle but progress is painfully slow. interior with prop shaft and motor mounting plate. The window frames are made up of individual pieces I'm going to pin in place for a while as I'm bound to knock them off The cabin front windows are not yet finished I'll fit them next. I've miscalculated and not got a speed controller to fit but I've got an old one I may give a test to if it's okay I'll extend the wiring as it's going under the decking aft of the cabin and what's there doesn't reach. I'm going for a full lighted cabin and running lights but I've not got any to fit so I'll source them after Christmas. There's little access inside owing to the main cabin being fixed in place so everything has to be threaded underneath it and given the large windows I've got to do a reasonable fit out to do it justice.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:22 pm
Slow progress but it's freezing in the workshop despite my little heater. rubbing strakes started to fit the black blobs are pins holding them in place. motor in place I've got to get the wiring into the bow for the speed controller which I've decided is better there as there is a bit more headroom than below the rear deck.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:16 pm
A bit more progress: The bow has some of its pieces in place. The interior and foredeck is slowly taking shape. I've not been idle but it's been cold and I'm scared of getting I'll plus work has been awful as I'm really not in the mood when I get back. There's some filler needs sanding down on the deck as I couldn't get a good join hence the ragged white stuff along the deck edge.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:48 pm
The foredeck is taking shape: I'm quite surprised at my wood use I'm not making much scrap being able to use various off cuts for detailing.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:07 pm
Interior started, this needs to look at least presentable as the large windows make it visible. I've followed the plans too closely and the motor protrudes through the deck enough to make it noticeable. I've made a cover that goes over it which won't be too much but there's so many pins in it I'll clean it up first before I photo it. The louvre door may well convince me to build model cars it's so fiddly. And another view of the foredeck just because I'm amazed i made it fit.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:35 pm
More progress albeit slow: Remember my comments about not making much scrap- utter rubbish I've mis measured cut off square and broken more wood than ever over the last week. The barrel back in the cabin floor is to cover the motor which is protruding i can't come up with any better solution. There is a table to be made which may distract the eye from it but it's there and I'll have to live with it.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:28 pm
First night in over a week as it's been way too cold and I don't want to get ill. Prior to the freeze I listened to an online programme about landing craft and the way they handled owing to the flat bottom, as this is a shallow vee i did a bit of cutting and fitted a short keel which is similar to what I've seen on other versions of this boat. [/url] I've also fitted some fake strengthening plates that are on the original. hopefully a coat of primer will tone them down a bit as I don't like them.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:27 pm
A bit of slow progress and the start of priming I'm using a filler primer for the first layer. There's method in my madness as I was talking to a chap who restores cars and does up old boats and knows of my interest in model boats. There's a prominent red band around the top of the hull so yellow gives it a bit of a faded look right off if I don't slather it on, the rest of the hull is black which I can cover the yellow with and the upper works are a cream/whiteish tired looking scheme which yellow can be worked down from. I'm not convinced but he's shown me some work he's done and I think I can make it work. I can't spray anything this big in my workshop so I'm waiting for some good weather i did the first passes last weekend and got distracted by clearing up my bit of garden after winter.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:04 pm
Slow progress and loss of motivation struck but I'm slowly nibbling away at the edges. My photography skills still shows that i ought to post pencil drawings.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:17 am
Looking Very nice!!! but ''i think we need a bigger boat'' great build so far!
Whos Kit is this?
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:33 pm
Sorry for the late reply it's not a kit I've built it from plans it's my first plans build and first wooden build. I need help what do you think the round drum like object hanging from the triangle bracket above the two hoops is? I can replicate the shape but I'd like to know what it is, it's too high for a lamp and it has a 4 arm wind driven impeller on the top. I don't think it's high tech gear I'm just curious.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:18 am
Wind generator?
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:22 pm
I think you're right I can't find any pictures to match it though, problem is I'm building a replica of a special effect not a real world boat. Next major problem is 5 yellow barrels in my opinion they have to look right as they are a prominent recognisable feature. I can get them 3D printed at the cost of selling a kidney!
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:35 pm
What are the dimensions of the barrels? Are they anything like those on my Andrea Gail? If so they are a standard Billings fitting. Cornwall Model Boats list several different types of barrels - wood and other materials.
I think that Macs mouldings also do barrels and in different scales.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:39 pm
https://www.shapeways.com/product/4SL5KQ863/1-14-shark-hunter-barrel?optionId=62358074&li=marketplace These are the exact shape & scale I'm no rivet counter by any mark but I think these need to be something like accurate as they do show up quite prominently. If you know of anything similar I'll be really interested as I'm looking at £130 odd for 5 which I find difficult to justify. 1/14th is such an odd scale there's bits and bobs available from the model car world but I'm finding scratchbuilding is the only way for most items.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:44 pm
Yes - pretty distinctive. I can only suggest buying one and trying some resin moulding!
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:44 pm
Hold the phone! Macs Mouldings! never looked there those oil drums can be carved to shape and at that price I can scrap one and still look the wife in the face! Next boat show (not wicksteed!) I'll buy you a pint!
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:47 pm
You are welcome. Not sure I will ever make it to another show, but thanks anyway!
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Sun May 02, 2021 7:27 am
This latest high definition composition shows RAILINGS!!!! what a pain in the proverbial, this is first fix as I need to wrap the forward railings in thread as per the original. The barrel locating railings look to be made of reinforcing bar so I think I'll need a bit of artistic licence on that section. The mast needs a lot more work as I need to make some rigging locations and various brackets and a windvane for the mast top and there's bits I want to redo.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Thu May 06, 2021 10:17 pm
I've not put much time into this in the week but I've got the 'pulpit' or as the wife puts it the 'sticky out bit' fixed in i may wrap the uprights in twine as I'm not quite sure of its look and the three different originals are all different.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Sun May 16, 2021 8:34 pm
Small detail progress namely a ladder which needs painting and weathering. I need to make a new mast swivel as the one in view is a temporary fix to give me a position for some more details.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Mon May 17, 2021 5:58 pm
I like the ladder - what material is that?
I'm a bit stuck at the moment - I had a fall last week and my hands are rather damaged. I'm seeing the nurse tomorrow AM and hope to be able to get back modelling again afterwards.
Barrie
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Mon May 17, 2021 6:40 pm
It's plastruct polystyrene tubing with an aluminium welding rod through it to make easier to bend and set in place. The top bend is wrapped in rigging thread the originals the same I've got to paint the rings tonight but the thread stays the same colour.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Mon May 17, 2021 9:19 pm
And I hope you get better soon we need you at the helm. I've had my barrels delivered from Macs Mouldings today £12.00p total saving from shapeways of £130.00p chuffed really doesn't sum it up.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:02 pm
I've loads of work still to do on the barrels they need flatting down and I'll probably 're-paint them as I'm not happy with them as paint seems to dislike sticking to these, and I've started to add steel bracing and wife bracing to the pulpit which needs toning down as it's suit and the ends need painting to match. Close to shelving this for summer as work is driving me to distraction I've more photos which show how much touching up and cleaning up needs doing. The barrel deck is removable to get to the speed controller etc the painting needs a lot of touching up as it looks crap here its not so bad in real life.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:04 pm
Looks like you are getting the better of it Swab , keep at it as you have very well up to now , yes we all have problems to solve but from where I sit your doing very well indeed [ nice Spit in the corner ] should look the dogs rowlocks when its finished .....well done
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:43 am
Hi Swab,
As you can probably tell by your inbox i have been looking at this build log.
She is really coming along nicely. Keep up the good work.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:39 pm
First time back in the workshop today as I feel a bit better in myself, so after a bit of a tidy up and attempt to recap where I got to. I cut these they match the profile on the plans perfectly but as the original was made to look battered so are they. They are only blue tacked in place for now will fix permanently when I've done some more fettling. I'll paint the white plate with the bolt heads then as well.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:47 pm
Hi Swab, Good to hear you are feeling a little better and that you have managed to get back to doing a little more model making.
I hope you continue to get better and continue to update your build log. I am looking forward to seeing more.
Martin.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:00 pm
The barrels from Macs Mouldings with a bit of carving to look like the originals I'm looking for a different quality string to do the ropes on them as this looks too heavy chalk line string looks right, but they didn't take long to get me back into the build again and are easily undone the barrels need flat coating to find them down. These need to look right these don't to me I'm really stuck on getting these right.
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Subject: Re: Shark boat Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:06 pm
Hi Swab, Maybe a little dry brushing with a matt yellow and blend a little brown matt. If it is done as little layers and a bit at a time i think it will work out ok. Maybe a little dash of matt black dry brushed in a few places too.
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so my sheds warm and my glue sets and grabs nicely.
m rudder shaft in a 5.1mm i.d. tube I've got the tube and locknut supplied but it's 8mm diameter through a 9mm keel made of 3 laminates of 3mm ply i don't want any more doublers i can grease and seal the top of the tube it rotates easily with no drag so I'm going with this.
great build so far! 
