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| Subject: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:37 pm | |
| i'm having a little break until after the Blackpool show. I am waiting for Adam at Mountfleet Models to bring me a set of mouldings for the 1;12 scale Tyne Class lifeboat which I will be building as the Fleetwood lifeboat William Street, 47-038. but as usual I have dropped myself in it, and whilst talking to a gentleman at the 1940's Lytham St Annes 1940's classic rally in the lifeboat museum, I think I have dropped myself in it for building a model of the pulling/sailing lifeboat, a 35' Liverpool class lifeboat, now under restoration, the Blackpool lifeboat Samuel Fletcher, but I think i'll build two of them at the same time and call mine after the Hilbre Island RNLI boat Chapman...…….detail will be relatively easy as the boat is now a display boat at Lytham museum on the green………. I am building mine as that boat because she served at Cromer for a short while and Henry Blogg, my hero served on her in the early part of the last century. and the last sad sight..……..the William street finally leaving Fleetwood for the last time so, two totally different builds from opposite ends of the spectrum, but one I think i'll enjoy...…... so look out for them this coming October/November.
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:33 am | |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:56 pm | |
| the first leap forward has been made, and I didn't expect it so soon. today I received a nice long box from my good friend Dave Metcalf, and that could only mean one thing...……..a box with hulls in it, so eagerly opening it, I found two beautifully moulded Liverpool class hulls and their end boxes. the hulls are ones that we generated when I was designing the twin screw motor Liverpool class lifeboat, that Dave is developing slowly for release as a kit sometime in the future. but it is as near as damn it to the old 35' pulling and sailing lifeboat that I want to build, and so is what I will use. I now have to go to see the actual Samuel fletcher being restored in a factory workshop in Fleetwood to get some photos of her decks, thwarts and such things so that I can build [ no plans available] to as close as I can. I am looking forward to building them [one to be presented to the Lytham St Annes lifeboat museum when finished, the other one depending on whether she was fitted with motor before she left lifeboat service will be either a pulling/sailing boat or a motor sailor. how ever I have a couple of jobs to do in the workshop before I start, and that will include researching the motor situation. so until then...…...here's a couple of pictures to compare the Liverpool's with the Shannon for size...……….think what they'd look like against a Severn. by the way, before anyone says anything, the Samuel Fletcher was/is a 36' Watson, not a Liverpool...……...but the Liverpool is close enough for my liking, and sod anyone who doesn't lol. |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:24 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:48 am | |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:44 am | |
| I hope I don't disappoint, my friend. |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:49 am | |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:49 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:46 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:33 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:45 am | |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:26 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:36 pm | |
| I THINK...well eck I KNOW you need a trip down ere with the hulls
Dave |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:03 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:08 pm | |
| - stavros wrote:
- I THINK...well eck I KNOW you need a trip down ere with the hulls
Dave I'll do these ones matey, as they are simple ones to do...……..will save the more complicated one...…...the TYNE which I'm picking up at Blackpool from Adam at Mountfleet, As that is a little more complicated, and I know you like complication in your life, but thanks for the offer...…..I do appreciate it and your help. |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:23 am | |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:35 pm | |
| [ltr] today was another dig around in my box of scrap timber to find something suitable for the two rudders.....
I found a nice piece of 6mm sycamore that my dear but sadly now deceased friend Terry Donn, [who used to own the brilliant model shop on Bold Street, Southport] gave me probably 10 or more years ago...[/ltr] [ltr] it is a lovely timber to work with, very close grained and takes sealer and paint beautifully with virtually no grain visibility for this scale of model[/ltr] [ltr] I cut the two rudders together, and fitted the lower pintle pin that slots into the rudder skeg.[/ltr] [ltr] then marked out the rudder to simulate the planking that they are made from, and after measuring the RNLB CHAPMAN of Hilbre, they were/are about 15mm or 7" wide real life..[/ltr] [ltr]I then simulated the plank joins by cutting thin groves with a craft knife, curved the edges with abrasive paper, and left it for tea.. i'll fit the upper pintle pin later when i have worked out what i am doing.lol. [/ltr] |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:13 am | |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:22 am | |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:41 am | |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:20 pm | |
| this morning I decided to fit the two rudders to the boats...…..one a static, and the other a working rudder...…well, I have to admit...….all didn't go to plan, and here is where my first cock up was covered up.I made two pintle brackets for each boat, drilled them, cut slots into the stern posts, lined both up with brass rod, glued them in place with 30m epoxy, only to find when I slotted the pin at the base of the rudder into the receiving hole on the rudder skeg the now set pintle brackets didn't line up in any way with the fore edge of the rudder.....one massive miscalculation on my part.....for my planned method of fixing was to use one single rod to run through the skeg and up through the brackets.....I must have had a brain fart thinking that would work, as now having looked at it the rudder pin could never have run on the same axis as the holes in the brackets.so I had to have a bit of a rethink on the working rudder and I decided to have another pin at the top of the rudder going into a bracket at the top of the stern post, and use the pintle brackets as dummies, and cover the slots cut into the rudder in a vane attempt to rectify my cockup with the rudder board binding strips that I had to fit anyway...after such a blunder I deserve my lunch, as they don't look too bad to the onlooker...except that I have now confessed to you lot out there of my lunacy in scratch building....but at the end of the day, its so much more fun than kit bashing where the mistakes are not yours, and you are rectifying someone else's blunders, not your own...I feel so much happier....anyway....I can now say its beginning to look like a lifeboat and not a canoe....I think that the old classic lifeboats are made by their lovely rudders.and now its on to my next blunder and cock up...just makes me a whole lot stronger and wiser. . i'll not fit a rudder like that next time:joy::joy::joy::sunglasses:???????????? |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:04 pm | |
| suddenly remembered from last time that I have to put in the deck beams before I put the box in for the drop keel...…..so started on the static boat first....as usual I cut the 10 x 10mm square beams across ways so that the beam will take the curve of the hull better. I don't use the steaming method as it takes so long before you get to glue the thing together. so I have put the 2 longitudinal beams[not yet glued in] but have glued the end cross members in, using 2 part epoxy...….have left it to set for a while and then will mark out the next lot of cross members in. this is now getting fun. |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:05 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:42 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:45 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:57 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:51 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:50 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:36 pm | |
| just bought my timber for planking the decks and inside bulwark hull, plus some thicker 3mm sheets of the same for the seat bench strips.
the thicker 5mm strips I shall cut from my lump of obeche for the bench supports...…….but it is lovely timber to cut, sand and then stain with mahogany, as it is of the same family as mahogany.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Obeche-Wood-Panels-100mm-x-450mm-x-0-8mm-Pack-of-3-Sheets-OBE0X3/141566543198?hash=item20f606055e:g:9rEAAOSwNSxU1NgD |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:38 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:35 am | |
| Good to see you've not been idle while I've been away Neil. Looking good. Barrie | |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:01 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:19 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:42 pm | |
| cheers mate..…………...I'm thoroughly enjoying this build, after the Shannon which became a drudge...….. anyway...……..said all i'm going to say on that subject, the past is done and almost forgotten...…..just the recurring nightmares to deal with, this is the last post this evening...…i have finished the watertight hatch, by putting a flange around the inside of the opening and then raising the upstands which make up the second part of the barrier to water ingression through the deck joint..all parts, once set were cleaned up, sanded down, and cleaned off......it now fits snuggly but not tightly. I will tomorrow give both the inside of the hath and the hatch well some liberal coats of sanding sealer, rub down with wire [ steel] wool and once all the boat is finished it will be treated with a layer of Vaseline as a further part of the barrier against water ingression.and finally, as with all my models where a wooden frame is used to support the deck, I put a gusset of body filler from the longitudinal beams to the hull side. not only does this "glue" the beams to the hull, but reinforces an impregnable barrier to the deck against water seeping into the hull in rough weather. tomorrow, I am going to fit the under deck in small pieces, before attempting to fit the fore/aft bulkheads for the end boxes......should be fun. |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:56 pm | |
| building a new model from scratch is always about planning,...…..thinking off the cuff, and outside the box......… I lead a sad life at the moment...….one daughter off to uni, the other not knowing what to do, I am in a state of limbo, so much of my time at the moment is spent thinking about these two boats......could do with a nice lady to take my mind off boats now and then, lol this morning I woke up thinking that as the masts are mounted in tabernacles that will be made from silver soldered brass, the latter need to be screwed to the deck...….but as the deck is only 1.5mm thick, with a 0.8mm planking on top......….it doesn't give much purchase and holding power for any screws I put in to hold the fitting for the mast, and the strain it will be under when in sail... ….so!!! I had to fortify the underside of the deck and centre beam by adding some strengtheners this morning. also it was now time to glue into the hull, the frame work for the static museum boat as well. so that was the first job of today. |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:06 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:05 pm | |
| [ltr] this morning , using the same card template I made the pieces for the deck.[/ltr] [ltr] instead of making it in one piece I split it to a fore part running from the aft end of the keel box, to the bow. [/ltr] [ltr]and the aft end was in two pieces, both port and starboard......thus enabling me to get a close up fit around the removeable hatch.[/ltr][ltr]two small cross pieces will be added once the three pieces have been glued.[/ltr][ltr]the adhesive that I will use to glue deck to beams will be my favourite timber to timber glue......Aliphatic quick grab resin. [/ltr][ltr]I got my old tube out ready and found it had gone a little lumpy.........no bloody wonder.....the "use by" date was 04/2013...
…………..think I was stretching its usefulness a little far........but that was the last time I used it on my other wooden lifeboats, lol …..
so ordered some new stuff today from a shop in Yorkshire, he was trying to get in the post yesterday....might be here today......and also waiting for my obeche planking material today tomorrow...….a process I just love doing.....honestly....love planking.
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:21 pm | |
| I ordered my obeche on Sunday , and I ordered my aliphatic resin yesterday just after 14.00 hours... both came today...……...and that is what I call excellent service from both companies, Hobbies of Attleborough in Norfolk, and Technologies ltd of Halifax...…….they were both very well packaged, and would recommend them to anyone as excellent service. so, now I can get down to stripping the 0.8mm sheets into planks. I had a trip down to our restoration boat, the Ann Letitia Russell this afternoon to get the width of the deck planks, for I cannot see other boats would be much different, but whop but a rivet counter would care anyway. they measured 3 n7/8ths" wide, or 95mm. and so, devided by scale of 1;12 they come to 8.91666r mm wide, so i'll yet again annoy the rivet counters and cut them to 9mm width...……...and so let cutting commence, lol.
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| Subject: Re: SIR FITZROY CLAYTON Fleetwood,motor lifeboat Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:39 pm | |
| NOW.....that didn't take long......a sharp knife, steel straight edge rule and a cutting board...…..and the job was done...…..108 planks of 230mm by 9 mm [ 9' x 4"] and 12 planks of 230mm x 11 mm [9' x 5.2" the wider planks are the ends of the sheets, but are the same width as the "king plank" on the ALR...……...the central plank, laid along the longitudinal line of the deck, to which all other planks are butted up to...…..this makes it an easy job of uniformly laying the planks straight and even. I just hope I have enough for both boats!!! |
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