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PostSubject: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptySat Mar 02, 2019 12:34 pm

Right then some guy called Neil dropped down a pair of Shannons today to be painted so I thought what a good subject to show how to paint properly warts an all.

One is a Models by design hull and the other a speedline kit....and NO I wont be comparing both boats either,Ok the Speedline one had a deck and superstructure that comes off in one piece and the other has a superstructure that lifts off and the deck is fixed,That's all I will say and I don't want to see comments about this is different to this and that,This is a PAINTING tutorial that's ALL.

Even though I will be using 2 pack materials to paint these and not Rattle cans the process of prep and paining will be the same and if there is and there will be slight changes in Girt roughness I will mention this.

WARNING any painting is Hazardous to health whether is being 2 pack aerosols etc and What I advocate in this thread I will NOT BE HELD LIABLE FOR ANY ILL HEALTH ETC.

ALSO rubbing down ANY FILLER PAINT ETC is also Hazardous to health and you  I CAN NOT STRESS ENOUGH YOU MUST WEAR A SUITABLE MAST....And NO I WILL NOT RECOMEND ANY MASK It is up to the INDIVIDUAL to what they wear,Yes I will mention what I USE thats all.

I also will not appologise for using capitals this is deleberate to emphasise things and it certaitntly is NOT shouting...I call a spade a spade and if you dont like it tough !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One is owned by Neil...the Speedline one and the MBD one is Mick French and it will be a Pleasure to do both.

What gives me the right to give advise on painting .....well I think over 30 years or experience in the car trade qualifies me I THINK !! 

A Pair of Shannons 47203939322_aee235bdc8_cIMG_3069 by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 47203945542_7c8b02f61d_cIMG_3068 by David Jones, on Flickr



Right then where do we start step 1 will be to degrease both hulls thouroughly and NO I wont be using Fairly liquid or any other cleaner as this DOES NOT  do a proper job....trust me on this....Ive been painting for over 30years.These hulls will be washed down with PANEL WIPE there is simply NO other product that will degrease any Hull Model,plastic or wood steel etc,as the Karate instructor states in Karate kid simply wipe on wipe off,I usually do this 2 or 3 times in case ive missed anything.

The Next step will be to rub down the hulls etc with 180 Grit DA DISCS........WHY 180 grit I hear you ask isnt that rather rough I say NO ....WHY....this will make sure the primer will adhere properly to the Grp...this can be said of Wood Plastic Etc...and YES these steps can be used on ANY Model.

TAKE NOTE I will NOT be rubbing down with Wet/Dry either this will be done DRY...yes of course there will be dust.so what simply blow it off with a compressor or with a clean dry paintbrush and degrease again simples.

The Next step will be to inspect the hulls etc for ANY little imperfections that will need filling...More on that Later.

This is going to take some time to get to completion as beleive you me it is going to take time to rub them down but I will post updates every week bearing in mind I got limited time in the shed due to 2 young children...Any questions then simply ASK

To Be continued


Dave


PS if you think your QUESTION is stupid it is the stupid Questions that are the ones everyone is afraid to ASK
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PostSubject: Re: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptyMon Mar 04, 2019 11:07 pm

I am going to enjoy this one Dave...………...look forward to it, and hope to learn much, as I am one crap painter.


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PostSubject: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptyTue Mar 05, 2019 2:34 am

I will certainly be taking a close interest in watching the progress and methods used on these two subjects!
Thanks for taking them on Dave
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PostSubject: Re: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptySat Mar 09, 2019 4:07 pm

Well today was the day the Sisters got rubbed down,how do we do this.
Forsit job of the day was to wash them down with PANEL WIPE.....Nothing else will do to degrease any model for get it this is what you need simply wipe on and wipe off.

Right then what do we use,2 ways of approaching this job and both are as messy as each other,You can either use Wet/dry and get yourself covered with water and sludge everywhere or you do it the modern way,Yes Modern way,the days of rubbing down using water has long gone in bodyshops these days..WHY ?? Right then why introduce dampness into your paintwork and cause yourself problems.

Yes of course rubbing down dry has it's own problems but simply wear a dust mask.
My weapons of choice DA discs.....oh we cant afford those I hear you say,walk into any body shop and beg steal borrow some usually a couple of quid will get you some.Obviously I buy mine in bulk.

You only really need 3 Grades of Grit...80/180/400 or 500(read what i say)

  80 Grit to shape the filler quickly and efficiently
180 Grit this is to get rid of the marks from the initial rubbing down with 80 and prior to priming
400 Grit to rub down the primer prior to painting with a solid colour
500 Grit this is for a 2 stage paint in other words a basecoat and laquer

Baisically you can rub a hull down with 180 grit if there is no filler required,or if you want to spend a long time rubbing  down then use 400 up to you,I know which one ill use !!!!

My DA discs and rubbing down block


A Pair of Shannons 32386332477_6518971c5e_cIMG_3071 by David Jones, on Flickr

Rubbing block??? yes a rubbing block ...with the best will in theworld there is NO WAY on earth can you rub anything down smoothly without one it is impossible to do without one,yes I do realise and I agree,sometimes you have got to use your fingers to access the impossible to get at areas.

What are we trying to acheive rubbing down,well a flat unshinny finish that you can not see a reflection in it,very difficult to get a pic of this but I hope this will show the difference between a rubbed surface and one that's not 

Left hand side of superstructure has been sanded right not 

A Pair of Shannons 46605187714_7e12e9d53f_cIMG_3072 by David Jones, on Flickr


Right hand side rubbed down left has not 

A Pair of Shannons 40363081323_d5b0e23a86_cIMG_3074 by David Jones, on Flickr

What you want to aim for is a completetly dull surface and not one that you see shinny bits in it the shinny bits are the ones you have Missed !!!!!

Oh My life what a nightmare the sterns are   

A Pair of Shannons 46605167434_f8495e2d3d_cIMG_3076 by David Jones, on Flickr

This is what you are trying to achieve

A Pair of Shannons 32386287007_1e76345254_cIMG_3078 by David Jones, on Flickr

Both Girls ready to be primed hopefully at work this week



A Pair of Shannons 40363043903_f7f077ff06_cIMG_3081 by David Jones, on Flickr


Just to give you an idea on time scale and method used,both boats have taken well over 6 hours work to get to this stage If I had used water they would have taken well over 8 hours at least,rubbing down dry is far quicker and easier to see where you are up to.

TBC 


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PostSubject: Re: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptySat Mar 09, 2019 5:23 pm

they look superb mate.……...I shall be forever in your debt.
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PostSubject: Re: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptySat Mar 09, 2019 6:38 pm

in debt to him, you will neil when he sends the brown envelope with the bill in it  lol! £££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££   lol!



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PostSubject: Re: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptySat Mar 09, 2019 7:30 pm

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they look superb mate.……...I shall be forever in your debt.
Blimey,
I'm going to be in trouble here,at this rate he will be wanting TWO Cornish Pasty's,NOT GINSTERS!,and then I will get told off by his missus for overfeeding him. Lol
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PostSubject: Re: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptySat Mar 09, 2019 7:56 pm

Hang on a mo ONLY 2 I Want at least 2 a WEEK sending up to North Wales M8 otherwise ill spray YOUR Shannon PINK with YELLOW SPOTS on it .


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PostSubject: Re: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptyTue Mar 12, 2019 7:34 pm

Stavros,
Can you recommend anything for rubbing down other than the U-POL discs as they would work out ridiculously expensive to buy a pack of each grade.  Many thanks.  I am looking forward to the rest of this as, apart from using rattle cans, I am not a very good painter.
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PostSubject: Re: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptyTue Mar 12, 2019 10:18 pm

delta151 wrote:
Stavros,
I am looking forward to the rest of this as, apart from using rattle cans, I am not a very good painter.
Derek.


Derek...…...WHY do you think I jumped at the chance and offer when Stavros virtually told me on the pain of death, that he was going to paint them for me.........I jumped with joy at the offer and will always be indebted to Stav.

I've already had one rollicking off him!!!, lol.
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delta151 wrote:
Stavros,
Can you recommend anything for rubbing down other than the U-POL discs as they would work out ridiculously expensive to buy a pack of each grade.  Many thanks.  I am looking forward to the rest of this as, apart from using rattle cans, I am not a very good painter.
Derek.
 Have you any car body repair shops around you if so Pop in and ask nicely if you can buy some off them tell them what you are doing and get say 10 80/180/400 shouldnt cost more than a tenner they will last you a long time 


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PostSubject: Re: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptyWed Mar 13, 2019 8:11 am

Thanks, Dave.  I will have to see what I can find.
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PostSubject: Re: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptyFri Mar 15, 2019 8:42 pm

Right then this has got to be said I cant hold back on it.

Contrary to popular belief and accusations on another forum,slating my proffesional integritry NO damage whatsoever has been caused to the 2 Shannon's that I am painting.I have been Painting for over 30 years and also am a fully Qualified Grp Laminator who should know a thing about Gelcoating.Gelcoating is either applied with a paintbrush and to cover the mold properly the gel coat is approx 1/16th of and inch to 1/8th of an inch so rubbing down by hand WILL NOT DAMAGE OR GO THROUGH to the Fiberglass matting.I have fitted car bonnets boots and also worked on Lotus cars and Tvr's which both have grp bodies and have had to go through the gelcoat to repair star crazing.The regelcoated the bodies and rubbed them down smooth,also the same has been done on boats which osmosis has been repaired.

I would NEVER post any method on any forum which would damage any modelers pride and joy....So unless anyone has got anything to say come on here to say it or to my face as I dont suffer FOOLS gladly.

I alos make NO appologies for my spelling or pronounciation as I am Dyslexic so anyone who has the odasity to critisise then that is sheer Discrimination

RANT OVER end of .

Back to the painting of the boats.

First step was to panel wipe the hulls prior to undercoating to make sure there was nothing to contaminate the primer.This was done with this make of panel wipe....this is what I use there are plenty of comparable makes out there.

This is simply wipe on wipe off

A Pair of Shannons 46665314254_407b458d5f_c53732622_2206761346054431_2388027418876051456_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 47388639701_aa4fd2045d_c54727547_371477616771599_946786503445446656_n by David Jones, on Flickr

The following pictures ore self explanatory.....The primer used is a filler primer which is a 2 pack material.....Ye sit was sprayed on But you can also brush it on obviously NOT in an enclosed shed or garage but outside in the fresh air....Yes of course it will leave brush marks but the beauty of this product is you can simply rub it down to a smooth finish and yes you can apply aerosol top coat's or enamel on top of it .As I stated it is 2 pack  so a hardener must e mixed into it at a rate of 4 primer to 1 of hardener and approx 10% thinners.Forget the hardener and I admit I have done in the past HA HA even I make mistakes and boy oh boy have you got some cleaning to do .

A Pair of Shannons 46665314444_ca42d73b51_c53636682_631398360635180_5984149891675324416_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 47335818242_d9953b73db_c53769922_2275255512796928_6140372858846576640_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 47335818052_cf5fa894e4_c53822753_2313625015346998_2462031178559913984_n by David Jones, on Flickr

After the primer was applied I simply overcoated the primer with a black Guide coat....Whats that,this is needed so when I rub down the hulls prior to applying the colour on them...more of this later I will explain then 

A Pair of Shannons 46665313884_b9b5eb304d_c53886036_391498124962285_4124383852271501312_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 47388639771_a6075c1533_c54435981_377794726391508_1658134685114433536_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 46665313404_de136d88b9_c55575701_2293805050832210_3813789409610825728_n by David Jones, on Flickr


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PostSubject: Re: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptyFri Mar 15, 2019 10:39 pm

OMG MATEY...………...almost having a modellers orgasm here...…………...they look dynamic...….

thank you, and don't worry about those comments...…..they will not re occur here......those mouldings are looking absolutely and utterly superb...…..when I gave them too you they almost needed an angle grinder to get rid of the detritus that I had left on them.

cheers....

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PostSubject: Re: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptyFri Mar 15, 2019 11:42 pm

nhp651 wrote:
OMG MATEY...………...almost having a modellers orgasm here...…………...they look dynamic...….

thank you, and don't worry about those comments...…..they will not re occur here......those mouldings are looking absolutely and utterly superb...…..when I gave them too you they almost needed an angle grinder to get rid of the detritus that I had left on them.

cheers....

mick French...…...have you seen these.

Hear, hear, That is a welcome change for the better cheers cheers cheers
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PostSubject: Re: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptySat Mar 16, 2019 1:24 am

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nhp651 wrote:
OMG MATEY...………...almost having a modellers orgasm here...…………...they look dynamic...….

thank you, and don't worry about those comments...…..they will not re occur here......those mouldings are looking absolutely and utterly superb...…..when I gave them too you they almost needed an angle grinder to get rid of the detritus that I had left on them.

cheers....

mick French...…...have you seen these.

Hear, hear, That is a welcome change for the better cheers cheers cheers
Wowee, Stav,what a difference already.Who would have thought in such a fairly short time,the difference a little paint makes
Certainly looking forward to the next stage
Cheers my friend.
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PostSubject: Re: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptySat Mar 16, 2019 2:56 pm

Right then we now need to rub down the hulls ready for the blue top coat and whats the idea of putting black on top of the primer....lets explain.

The main reason for putting on what is called a guide coat is to see where you have rubbed down and it shows up any defect's straight away and there is no way on earth can anyone rub primer down without a guide coat and do it properly. You will miss a lot of defects without one,no ones eyes are good enough to see them.You should use a guide coat when doing it the old fashioned way ie wet/sanding.

Here we see I have not rubbed enough of the guide coat down and it still showing defects,think of it this way....a hand saw has teeth with troughs and peaks on it....defects in the primer can be described in one way as saw teeth,ok I agree not as bad as a saw BUT....So sanding these out is realatevlysimple...rub down the primer till they simply disappear vola a smooth finish when they have gone


 A Pair of Shannons 47394459381_48d5a39c7f_c54432472_347871642510248_3947880917111930880_n (1) by David Jones, on Flickr

99% gone just a little work around the fitting

A Pair of Shannons 47394459621_1f26257e04_c53483039_2170645686599466_3386614354647449600_n by David Jones, on Flickr


one done one to go

A Pair of Shannons 47394459521_e609cf15dd_c54233832_308422456529071_2371345057228783616_n by David Jones, on Flickr


Right then we have rubbed down the hull whats next,Well your painting are needs a clean before carrying on...WHY well it gets rid of all the dust and detritis that will spoil the finish,if I am spraying components on the bench I allways use brown paer underneath the bits keeps things clea,then Panel wipe on panel wipe off then just before painting we now use a tack rag,Ok Whats this....a sticky cloth designed to remove any dust that's on the surface to be painted,if you inadvertantly tough the hull with your hand whist doing this then Stop and repanel wipe,I can not emphaszie how important this is as cleanliness is next to godliness when painting...why waste your time and effort and spoil it with finger marks.So We are now ready to paint what do I need,a spray gun ...in my case a Develbis gun and it's over 30 yrs old lol...my fav...some paint well as it's 2 pack paint I need hardener and thinners using this time a ratio of 2 to 1 and 10% thinners all properly measured out,yet again get this wrong ad be prepared for a mess !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..Dont ask how i know...only done it once never again.

You will notice that I didnt bother masking up the rest of the hull before sparaying the blue personally I didnt see the point and in any  case I just did not want a hard line on the hull just yet.

Well this is the result Ill let you all make your own minds how they look....I think they look spot on....well I would say that wouldnt I 

A Pair of Shannons 47394459551_0394d08ac4_c53850287_340856979970387_3414062047527174144_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 47341703502_b4462a82ac_c53727173_2255860021408482_5348151177433317376_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 47341703422_b65f939df3_c54203882_1821182614654198_7644340225447034880_n by David Jones, on Flickr

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A Pair of Shannons 47341703342_6efc71f83c_c54233832_2270205913190983_6090745379324690432_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 47341703202_c02cc2d719_c54521860_2113371488731916_8562917710109868032_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 47341703142_4d83526dfc_c55450462_271965780386245_9168193101649412096_n by David Jones, on Flickr


Whats next well take the hulls home and rub down the superstructures ready to be taken back to wok and paint them Orange,then all that left is the antifouling in Satin black,water line in White and then paint the deck with antislip Happy days maybee finished by next weekend,so I can then go fishing Yea ha,thats all for now got a Rubgy match to watch

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FANTASTICHE'!!!!…...BRILLIANT...……...my god they look good mate.
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FANTASTICHE'!!!!…...BRILLIANT...……...my god they look good mate.


Yes the proof is in the pudding well done. cheers cheers
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onwards and upwards so to speak,both superstructures rubbed down with 400 grit ready to be painted pink with yellow dots,oopsy silly me orange in work tomorrow,So i decided to paint the deck with paint suppied by Neil,Honestly dont know what to make of itmaybee it will dull with time as it looks so so wrong.

Deck rubbed down

A Pair of Shannons 47433739361_77e3dc29d5_c55523411_478634169338511_8115813809324556288_n by David Jones, on Flickr

All masked up

A Pair of Shannons 47433739711_355508e23d_c54799843_381179985807778_252143511174905856_n by David Jones, on Flickr

This is what was supplied supposed to be non slip,more like the old stove enammeling !!!!!!!!!!!....NOT IMPRESSED AT ALL


A Pair of Shannons 47433740021_685bc8a6c1_c54518726_1224323761057495_3256404032998080512_n by David Jones, on Flickr

What it looks like

A Pair of Shannons 47433740101_e880c0aaf4_c54175268_250100119114351_8078513130755325952_n by David Jones, on Flickr


A Pair of Shannons 47433739801_a7476fbd88_c54728634_2250034898591442_875020722370510848_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 47433739901_e30d70f150_c54522079_566188653867528_9003708885143388160_n by David Jones, on Flickr
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PostSubject: Re: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptyThu Mar 21, 2019 4:10 pm

aye, matey...……….that's not what it should look like...…..I have used that textured paint before and it has always come out like on my st200 and Clyde...…...as you said in your phone call to me, when the other company took them over, the formula must have been altered or changed.


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don't do anything with it mate, once I get it back i'll colourwash it with an enamel grey matt..
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Wey hey progress!!!!!

So the first job was to flat down both superstructurs with 400grit da discs to produce a baby smooth finish same technique as the hulls

Both flatted and panel wiped prior to painting

A Pair of Shannons 32689363627_4285ac1ab9_c57442667_584583688713919_6091383220622852096_n by David Jones, on Flickr

They they were tag ragged this is to finally get rid of any dust on the surface prior to painting 

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A Pair of Shannons 33754567588_7518a4d8e1_c57415282_2040095996293088_8117830283585126400_n by David Jones, on Flickr

First coat on ....sit on hands for 10 mins then another 


A Pair of Shannons 32689363887_08d20791c4_c57402338_681281895662951_662566793524543488_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 46716252255_0d6a0784af_c57407308_2201087083261854_1351505137218093056_n by David Jones, on Flickr

After 3 coats they looked like this 

A Pair of Shannons 32689363217_5acbf7ffc6_c57580364_308046613443954_4540999777382301696_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 46716251915_61e05079f8_c57503953_321860978477935_1058347557404540928_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 46716252365_2563e8e0b0_c57338739_1032657137121890_171086470298206208_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 32689364107_b778f3bf0c_c57286224_2155981828046614_3446522843414659072_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 46716252945_919a64d990_c57092806_280480302834097_7287144348242673664_n by David Jones, on Flickr

So after they were dry to the touch around 10 mins I put them into hte back of the car to sort of bake...well warm day black car=very hot interior

This is what they look like reunited with the hulls 

A Pair of Shannons 46716253575_dbc9f23087_c57079780_288221742113735_5467805573275713536_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 32689364497_86d5ff6f9d_c57094447_2230920050335314_2378733161187115008_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 33754567908_fc92494b68_c57297696_426687807876553_8259920291501703168_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 33754567468_ddc060d10d_c57471821_2426423270724469_3654021226109599744_n by David Jones, on Flickr

Well next job is to spray the anti slip on the Speedline boat then the antifouling and water line on both.....keep watching folks
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PostSubject: Re: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptyWed Apr 17, 2019 10:12 pm

whoop whoop whoop!!!

they look brilliant matey...……...nearly having to run to the loo to relieve my bladder with excitement...……..

they look superb beginning to look like lifeboats now. 

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PostSubject: Re: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptyWed Apr 17, 2019 10:50 pm

I am so glad I have one eye treated for cataracts recently, which is allowing to see even better, the results of all this work. 
Stav, Dave, it's just undescribably amazing. What a beautiful finish
Thank you my friend, it really is more than appreciated
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PostSubject: Re: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptyWed Apr 17, 2019 10:57 pm

Neil and Mick I am Humbled by your comments really am....All I did was to throw some paint on them for you a job I do every day.

They should be back up in Neils in the next couple of weeks I NEED my shed BACK got some boats of my own to build let alone a slot car track.....similar to Scalectric but home made track for rally cars and landscaped ready for Blackpool...remember you heard it here first.

MMM might even put a blog up n here if enough is interested 


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PostSubject: Re: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptySat Apr 27, 2019 5:37 pm

Right then lets get going again so to speak ...today it was a shed day and rub down Neil's Shannon deck ready to have primer put on in readyness for the textured finish tomorrow.

Firstly the deck was rubbed down dry with a 400 Grit Da disc then panel wipe(I even do this at home ) then tack ragged and aerosol primer applied....reason for aerosol is quite simple really,it was quicker then a 20 mile round trip to work !!!!!!

A Pair of Shannons 32770950987_924eb02b1f_c58441346_607334706418632_5133448197552734208_n by David Jones, on Flickr

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PostSubject: Re: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptySat Apr 27, 2019 6:09 pm

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Right then lets get going again so to speak ...today it was a shed day and rub down Neil's Shannon deck ready to have primer put on in readyness for the textured finish tomorrow.

Firstly the deck was rubbed down dry with a 400 Grit Da disc then panel wipe(I even do this at home ) then tack ragged and aerosol primer applied....reason for aerosol is quite simple really,it was quicker then a 20 mile round trip to work !!!!!!

A Pair of Shannons 32770950987_924eb02b1f_c58441346_607334706418632_5133448197552734208_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 32770950287_d8e5fd75c3_c58647193_592419777830537_2051185825479131136_n by David Jones, on Flickr


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PostSubject: Re: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptySat Apr 27, 2019 7:54 pm

Tomorrow's job is to Mask off the deck and spray the anti slip on the deck and demask it and flie under miscalanious as then that part will be finished only the black antifouling and topping line and Neil can come and collect and I can get my shed back YEAH HA
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PostSubject: Re: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptySat Apr 27, 2019 9:22 pm

oh just a minute mate.………..what about my other lifeboat that need a wear and tare respray...…….was planning to exchange them for the shannons………………..what you mean NO !!!!
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PostSubject: Re: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptySat Apr 27, 2019 9:32 pm

Ok I got BORED and went out to the shed as soon as Casualty started and decided to mask the deck up ready for the Anti slip...I was talking to Neil at the time on fb and I don't think he believed me that I was in the shed at this time of night....by the way he was sat eating a DIRTY KEEBAB somewhere at the time so he said ha ha.

Right then the deck was masked up and sorry in my excitment I forgtot otake another pic bah this one of hte masking...NEIL'S fault as he was texing me....got to blame someone 

 A Pair of Shannons 46799814525_fbd1c763b6_c58922526_844165532590278_5980710056662925312_n by David Jones, on Flickr

Now the Anti slip went one

A Pair of Shannons 46799814665_2b72105ece_c58420131_1053426035047806_2052885275318681600_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 46799814695_21674d0a74_c58419572_2440403299337291_3728876806657277952_n by David Jones, on Flickr

Now demasked and left to dry 

A Pair of Shannons 46799814905_d2f398439c_c57403829_2461612087203966_9092075432076902400_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 46799814825_9c08babd28_c58381271_424980871394875_5319957135201665024_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 32772799497_9b5302e0d2_c58430411_2674189762609650_8615237193528508416_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 46799814425_e7e55a6314_c59039534_501827044066621_6676237524433633280_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 46799814255_16051d8586_c59409817_436442633781690_8499900420934598656_n by David Jones, on Flickr

Right then tomorrow is the satin black on the hull and MAYBEE if it dries enough the White...and NO Neil I aint going out there to do it now NO WAY
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PostSubject: Re: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptySat Apr 27, 2019 9:40 pm

what!!!!……….i'll get my whip out..

seriously...…….looks superb mate...……….thank you so much.
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PostSubject: Re: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptySat Apr 27, 2019 9:43 pm

oh, and buy the way it was a sweet chilli wrap of the day from macs. not a kebab...…………..never had a donner in my life...…..
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Well it was antifouling day or as I now call it a Full day of swearing and cursing and nearly 2 shannons trashed in pure frustration,never in my life of building models let alone spraying them have I been so frustrated with a manufacterer...OMG what and there is NO other word for the so called Plan from Speedline Models they are CRAP POOH POOH most defo,no wonder Adrian has been slagged off by the lads who have paid well over £1100 for a kit.

The so called plan is so fragmented it is impossible to know where the actual waterline is supposed to be I had to downlaod so pics of the Fleetwood boat so I could litterally GUESS where it is supposed to be,so if Neil's and Mick's waterline is wrong then I appologise right now.....2.5 hours to get it looking somewhat close to what it should be !!!!!

Anyway as soon as the hulls were masked they were degreaased and rubbed down dry with 500 grit DA disc then degreased again and tak ragged to make sure there was no dust on them.I did not use the Halfords Satin Black for this but I used Autoteck Satin Black far far better coverage,Still I used 2 cans of it to do them.

Masked up 

A Pair of Shannons 47670080542_e83a5254bb_c58602804_448093872399800_4637729368670470144_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 33845808218_7c6516cabd_c58443841_333033050691934_5576967479978098688_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 47670084352_10c164e0d4_c58442901_275489883396851_5673270727042662400_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 47670084782_2d0a17a813_c58442091_2030304487274637_4152572126362075136_n by David Jones, on Flickr

Satin Black I used 

A Pair of Shannons 47670080132_224e3f77a9_c59334859_1360791267404263_3248350226288738304_n by David Jones, on Flickr

First of 4 coats applied 

A Pair of Shannons 47722899011_8017807ce9_c59473405_2283556398394400_7688022409374334976_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 47670080722_0023f4bbc3_c58599056_409062199926431_4063380739549298688_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 47670082022_6d0025f7ce_c58460830_303240013900356_3244224291725639680_n by David Jones, on Flickr

Final coat Yeah ha

A Pair of Shannons 33845807618_000a8e5957_c58460812_335281867173079_5289754345355608064_n by David Jones, on Flickr

They were demasked straight away and a dry CLEAN and when I say CLEAN I mean it was run along the line to flatten it down so there is NO step on the hard line(TOP TIP )
Both Hulls were put outside the shed to dry and vent off in the sunshine.

 A Pair of Shannons 47722901461_db26dc6944_c59364150_2312622335651962_5579389240237621248_n by David Jones, on Flickr

A Pair of Shannons 47670080362_6b5d58c440_c58766175_448788612523554_3945399035900198912_n by David Jones, on Flickr

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A Pair of Shannons 47670080362_6b5d58c440_c58766175_448788612523554_3945399035900198912_n by David Jones, on Flickr

They will be left upside down in the shed probably till Thursday when the white water line will be applied,this is to allow the black to fully harden so I can mask on it,back to the touring cars and F1 methinks
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PostSubject: Re: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptySun Apr 28, 2019 5:31 pm

they look absolutely fantastic matey...…….but how dare you steel my words regarding the plans, lol! lol! lol! 

I 100% agree I'm afraid, and apologise  most sincerely and with humble embarrassment to all those that I harangued in the past about such similar matters and their comments..

this model has frustrated me more than any other has ever...……….and that includes Billing boats kits, ...…...god forbid. Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad affraid affraid
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Like You Neil I am Embarrased to admit the guys who I told off on Mayhem were RIGHT in what they were saying and I do Humbly APPOLOGISE for that ,if a manufacterer can not get a simple thing like a flipping plan right and in focus what hope is there for the kit instructions...Diabloical I call it.


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PostSubject: Re: A Pair of Shannons   A Pair of Shannons EmptySun Apr 28, 2019 6:39 pm

sorry guys, all is forgiven.

I just feel sorry for anyone buying from abroad that doesn't have an actual Shannon lifeboat and friendship of the crew to go down to, photograph, pick their brains and do some research . 

I was lucky as at one point I had 3 Shannon lifeboats within 5 miles of me to chose from and to take invaluable photos of...………….but there are many buyers and builders who do not and can not have such lucky access...….Mick Burke in Canada is one example.

I can only hope that someone will produce a decent set of modellers plans for the Shannon that will be fit for purpose.


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I think if anyone even dares to complain about the waterline being incorrect,they are going to measure it,and believe me no one is going to get THAT close to my model to do so!
Both models are looking absolutely mind blowing,and I bet when Neil saw the photos,you helped him with his diet,because he would have thrown his kebab up in the air in glee.
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and I bet when Neil saw the photos,you helped him with his diet,because he would have thrown his kebab up in the air in glee.


it wasn't a kebab...…...it was a sweet chilli wrap of the day...………….never had a donner...……..the "meat" looks just awful, lol. 


but the wrap was yummy...……..

however nowhere near the standard of a breakfast wrap from our favourite sandwich bar in Blackpool on Whitegate Drive, called NOSH.

I can get a breakfast wrap containing egg, bacon, sausage, black pudding AND mushrooms for £2.60p...….so all you guys coming to the Blackpool show in October...…….that place has an extensive menu that will suit all tastes other than vegan, and is open from 07.30 - 14.00 hours...……...miss it and you'll be sorry. open every day but Sunday.
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Well In one way I feel sad that this is the final chapter of these pair of boats and they are going back to Neil on Sunday YIPPIE HOORAY room in my shed ha ha.

Right then it was time for the White stripe above the waterline...OMG what a pig of a job to actually get it looking right....to be honest with you guys and galls Dave is NOT happy at all with it but hey ho never mind.

So the big mask up started I used Harris fine line tape as I had run out of my usual 3M  Tbh I would NOT recommend this tape at all due to the fact it doesn't give you a crisp line bu they ho ALWAYS use 3M....Stav just read this  and practise what you preach before you use the other AGAIN WILL YOU HA HA

Stipe masked up 

A Pair of Shannons 46969016884_b4923c0136_c59002630_424995401649991_7495568657167155200_n by David Jones, on Flickr

Beggining to mask up 

A Pair of Shannons 47705552632_b1b3bd6523_c58602804_448093872399800_4637729368670470144_n by David Jones, on Flickr

Tbh I did forget to take pics of them masked up properly...I used Halfords Appliance whit for the stripe 

Here we go all FINISHED

A Pair of Shannons 32814768247_5080cf7d86_c59106067_433543157460115_6783447132276785152_n by David Jones, on Flickr

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Well tha'ts it folks over and out so to speak,would I do another Shannon....NO never unless there is a proper plan showing the White stripe properly................Over to you Neil 

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they look absolutely superb matey...….that waterline must have been a bar steward to do, and it looks superb indeed...………..thank you ever so much. I really am so happy with what you have done for us mate...…...can't thank you enough. cheers.
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I BET someone on here wont sleep tonight cos he is all EXCITED lol


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Well I don't know about a pair of Shannon's, but I do know about a pair of Shannon owners whose tongues are hanging out. The look superb Stav, and once again, sincere thanks for your offer to paint them, and for doing such a great job on them. SO wanting to have mine finished and see it for real. 
We will let you go and play with something for yourself now. Cheers my friend, and thank you again.
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I BET someone on here wont sleep tonight cos he is all EXCITED lol


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who!!, ME!!…………..i'm watching frost on tv because I know I won't sleep, lol...……...but up early in the morning, a macdonalds breakfast on the way n then a nice trip around the welsh coast to Bethesda....nice steady run. 

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Well you should have seen Neil's face when he saw the Shannon's this mng it was a picture, talking of which I will let them do the talking.

Neil with his...the Speedline one

A Pair of Shannons 47725932512_1458175f4b_c59740031_2348670798743194_3195858716544991232_n by David Jones, on Flickr

Neil with Mick's Models by Design Shannon

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Some Ugly Buggar with Neil 

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Bye Bye we are going up to Uncle Neils' 

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YEAH HA GREAT BALLS OF FIRE ME GOT ROOM IN SHED pmsl....Now lets get this slot car track built then a couple of boats for myself methinks

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